No One Is Teaching Industry Etiquette (This Competition Is Changing That) | EF EP 131

0:00 We're not promising overnight success. We really aren't. What we are doing is presenting someone with the tools as I mentioned before, and then they take that. With a lot of hard work, they can take those tools and then apply it to themselves and continue on with their journey. Ever wonder how top DJs actually built their careers? I had to do 15 years of hard work to get any of the recognition that I wanted. Where I saw a turning point in my career is when I came true to myself. From marketing and mindset to networking and negotiation, I'm giving you the tool tools you need to build a lasting career in dance music. Give them bits of you and your everyday life. You have to change the way you view the word no. Like me, I'm encouraged by it. Join me, Olivia Mancuso and industry leaders as we reveal what it really takes to turn your passion into profit. This is Elevated frequencies.

0:53 Welcome to your weekly elevation, your dose of real strategies for real results in dance music. I'm Olivia and today we are talking about a free DJ competition. And yes, I know what you're thinking. When Your Shot announced they were bringing their 15 year old Australian competition to the US, thousands of people thought it was a scam. Because nothing is actually free in America, right? But here's what it actually is. 6 weeks of free DJ training. Then you perform in front of sold out crowds with promoters in the audience giving out gigs on the spot. LA and New York just wrapped up their first ever US competitions and I got to witness the one in LA first hand. And what I saw completely shifted my perspective on what's possible in the industry. I walked into a room full of people who six weeks ago, most of them had never touched a deck and it was unlike anything I'd ever experienced in dance music.

1:49 No one was on their phones unless they were recording their friends. Everyone was hyped for each other. Complete strangers were supporting each other like lifelong friends. It was truly a different world. So today I'm talking with Rashna, who runs your shot about why this works so well in America, and more importantly, why aspiring artists can learn about why it's so important to bet on yourself and how to build a genuine community. And of course, why putting yourself in uncomfortable situations might be the fastest way to grow your career. Even if you never do this competition, which you should, this conversation has lessons you need to hear. You know, Sippy and others have told me like, you don't understand what your shot is until you're there and you experience it first hand.

2:35 And that was just so true for me. I want to start here because multiple people told me that they thought your shot was a scam. And I want to hear your thoughts on that and what that says about the American dance music market. Yeah, for sure. So I mean, I think I can't speak for the American Music industry the whole, but I can from what I can tell is that people or their response to what an opportunity can give them. Like so when we're hearing it first hand, is it a scam? What's the catch? It showed us that people, I guess weren't used to that in America. A lot of the a lot of the time people would come up to us and say, you must be Australian because Americans don't do this.

3:20 And that was a really interesting, like, sentiment that people would say because it seemed like people, yeah, just weren't used to be being, being given an opportunity to do something like this. So it shows to us, though, people still showed up even after thinking it was a scam. They were like, I'm still going to try this because what have I got to lose? Which showed to us that I guess there was this intense eagerness to get themselves out there, get their foot in the door in obviously a very difficult gate kept industry for the most part. So yeah, for us, I think it showed this eagerness to to really show what they're about and yeah, put themselves out there, which they typically wouldn't be given an opportunity to do so.

4:02 Yeah. And on the other end of that, I just witnessed such immense gratitude for the opportunity. So for those who don't know, are not familiar with what your shot is yet, can you kind of just go through the concept? Yeah. So we obviously we've started in Australia 15 years ago and we've been doing it ever since. I personally was a contestant 10 years ago and so I've gone through this process and I've live and breathe it for the last 10 years. But basically it's a no DJ experience competition where we basically will take someone with little to no DJ experience, train them up. They will, they're provided training and then they go into a performance element where they get to showcase their new skills. And then from that, that leads to, you know, opportunities like performing on some of the biggest stages internationally and, and throughout the US as well. Yeah, that's amazing.

4:50 I know some people kind of recoil at the word competition, but as I've seen you explain and and I've explained to others, the competition part is just to kind of showcase what you've learned and it's really the community that you build in this experience that's the part that matters. So leading up to that competition part, there's like six weeks of training. What goes into that training that someone's not going to get from watching YouTube tutorials? I think what someone would get out of doing your shot over, say your standard YouTube tutorial or even just your regular DJ classes that you can get one-on-one is really that community element, right? Group, group training sessions where they're meeting new people, they're putting themselves in like a testing environment.

5:39 So it's a healthy amount of pressure. I think that word competition gets thrown around and it, you know it, it sounds like we're trying to fast track someone to success, which is really not the case. It's really just opening someone up to a new opportunity, getting their foot in the door, showing them and giving them the tools to be like, this is what you could potentially be. So with a lot of hard work, they obviously take their skills and move from there. But I think being in a competition element which allows them to be like, I have a set goal, it really pushes them like like a YouTube video or a typical DJ course wouldn't usually provide. So having that like end date of a competition where they need to actually perform and showcase their skills, I think gives them an additional push that they might not be used to.

6:26 And then involving themselves in a in a group setting with people they don't know, they're learning off people that you know, aren't typically their friends or people they may have not come across. And I think that's the biggest part of this competition outside of, you know, the learning to DJ aspect is the people that they get to connect with. A lot of these guys come up to us and say, you know, I used to go to hard summer on my own and now I've met this whole group of people that I can just go out to, to events on weekends. And it just it, it just feeds into the industry in a really beneficial way. They learn off each other. They go back-to-back with each other, which is just stuff you don't typically get from, you know, learning at home.

7:07 It just shows them that they can get up on stage and, you know, regardless of the actual DJ experience, I think it pushes people to understand, you know, I, I have got it in me to do something that I'm not used to or yeah, push themselves out of their comfort zone, which is really special to see. And I think that's why people are so thankful by the end of it. When you see them at the event weekend, they perform their first set. You know, their family, their friends are there. They're so emotional because they put everything into their six weeks of training to then get up and perform for their friends, not only for their friends, family, but for themselves as well. I think is a is a different. It's a different aspect that you can't just get from yeah, learning online. Sure.

7:48 And I like I like what you said about the healthy pressure because so often when someone wants to learn a new skill, they don't put a deadline on learning that new skill. And so it just gets put on the back burner like, oh, I'm tired today. Oh, this new episode of whatever show is out. I want to watch that. I want to relax. And so that actually forces you to take the training seriously because another thing that I've learned in throwing events doing marketing is it's really hard to get someone to show up for something when it's free because it's like, I'm not going to lose out on anything if I don't show up because I didn't pay anything. But this is like committing them to something for themselves. And it there's so much like psychological, there's so many psychological factors here and mindset factors.

8:32 And I know talking to one of your coaches, like he was getting Bruno right, he was getting emotional just about like seeing the transformations in the people who go through this. So can you talk to me about some of those mental and mindset transformations you see for the people who go through your shot? Yeah, for sure. I mean that's definitely as someone that you know, does this every day, I think that's probably the most powerful thing to me is that we see people from the get go from when they sign up, we look at the the applications, we read why they want to do this. We see them from registration day. They show up, they're timid, they're on their own. And then to see the shift from day one to when they perform is just like I'll get emotional talking about it every time because there's something special about being able to show someone they can do something.

9:24 And, you know, they grow with their with their classmates and they grow with their trainer. And that's something that we really focus on. And Foster is just making sure that their mindset is you can do this. It's going to be hard whenever saying it's easy, you know, D Jing is a skill in itself. And you know, it takes a lot of dedication and it takes hard work. And it doesn't take just, you know, six weeks. We understand that this is just the stepping stone to, you know, to foster for a hopefully long and successful career. But I think with the mindset, mindset shifts that we see is that you start with someone that, you know, their eyes are wide open and they want to they want to do everything. And, you know, then they'll get to week 1 and they'll see it's overwhelming. There's a lot, you know, the equipment isn't just, you know, pressing play or, you know, downloading a track and playing it.

10:13 It's that extra little bit of push that they're like, do I have what it takes? And I think for those people that really can commit to it and they get to Week 2 and week 3 and then they realize they just have to trust the process. Something's like clicks in a in most of them that it's like that aha moment. Oh, I get it now. I understand this. And then it's just like a full transformation from, you know, being someone that was quite timid and shy to someone that gets up on stage and just, like, gives it their all. It's honestly the most introverted people are the people that do the most up on stage. And that is like a very special experience that we get to witness.

10:56 But yeah, the mindset shift throughout the whole experience. It's a roller coaster. And we tell them that. We don't tell them it's going to be easy. We say you're going to want to quit at times. Like, you know, most things in life, you know, if it gets hard, I think people are quick, are quick to, to quit or want to give up. And I think with that extra additional bit of pressure that we give them, which is healthy competition at the end of the day. I, I think in my opinion, when we see it, we're never pushing anyone too, too far. But I think that mindset shift from going from do I think I can do it to can I do it just shows and like gives, you know, people opportunity to really like better themselves as well, Not just for it from the DJ aspect, but as a as a human as well. Yeah, what?

11:40 How many hours a week is training? So they'll train for 18 hours across the six weeks. So it's 3 hours a week. And then they're they're training with the same group of people. So it allows them to kind of foster quite a safe environment amongst their friends. And then they get to know them and they really like work off each other. So yeah, 3 hours a week. Yeah, I, I, some of the people that I interviewed while I was there in Lai asked them, you know, have you ever committed this much time to yourself before? And a couple people got emotional and they're like, no, I've never done something like this for myself. And I don't know. It shows them what's possible, you know, and and I like, you know, everyone there was for the most part was is a raver is familiar with dance music culture.

12:23 But I love that there was different skill levels represented. And that part about community that you were talking about, the closest thing that like, the example I was thinking of in my head when I was just watching people interact was there's this cruise called Groove Cruise that I've been on before. And I was fish out of water, right? Like you're trapped on a boat with a bunch of people. It's like any cruise, you're trapped on a boat with a bunch of people, like 3-4 days, but you're all there for the common love of, of music. And I made lifelong friends from all over the country that I would have never had a chance to meet. Because like in a festival environment, you're on land, you can like split up more easily, but you're running into these people over and over. And so that's very similar to your shot because it's like you're meeting with these people every week and by the end of it, like nobody will.

13:13 You say competition, but nobody was being competitive. Everybody wanted to see everyone else win. And that's also something that's rare in this industry. Yeah, for sure. Like when we have these get togethers with the contestants, we like to, you know, push that message of, you know, these people are the people that are going to support you in the industry. Why separate yourself? Why put a wall up? Why gatekeep all of the the information, you know, work together. It only benefits the industry at the end of the day, more passionate people about music with more knowledge, more good skills, that only leads to more opportunities for everyone. So I think that it just needs to be, I think as a whole, This is why we do this is that we want people to be more aware of, you know, the, the excitement of this beautiful industry that we have across America, Australia.

14:03 There should be no reason why someone shouldn't be connecting with other like minded people. And that's what we, you know, our biggest thing is, is that, you know, when do you ever get thrown into a situation with a bunch of like minded people, all passionate about music, all want the same thing. Why instead of like competing against everyone, you know, work together, create opportunities. Something and I tell these guys all the time is that, you know, if those opportunities aren't going to present themselves, create them for yourself. You know, connect with other people, start your own parties, Learn like learn from each other, start from the bottom up, you know, celebrate the small wins, do those small gigs that all leads to, you know, greater opportunities at the end of the day. So yeah, being thrown into an opportunity where you've got all of these people, like minded people, it makes you like forcibly make a connection with someone, which honestly is what some people need.

14:59 Like, how do you make friends as an adult? Honestly, I couldn't tell you how I would make a friend outside of, you know, work or you know, so doing something like this. I think the biggest thing is like the the connections that people make and that only benefits everyone at the end of the day in my opinion. It's so true. And when that's your foundation, if that's how you start like your DJ career or whatever it ends up being project like, that's starting from such a healthy place. And like you said, it just makes the industry better as a whole. And I love what you just said about starting your own party because I feel like a broken record. I say that almost every single week to my audience. With a little bit of resourcefulness, you can create something that brings people together and people just need the confidence to like try because it it's it's you know, DJ ING is one thing, but then putting together your own event. But you realize like, Oh, wait, I know someone who would DJ with me.

15:54 I know someone who like could take photo or video and you're all in it for like the same reasons and it and it becomes not as hard as you think. So I love that you coach that in this because that's just we need more of that in this. Industry absolutely. Like that's what we like. I think when people look at this whole competition and we, you know, we're creating more DJs and all that kind of stuff. A lot of the time, I'm not going to lie, like people are skeptical by it because it's like not another DJ. But people then need to realize, you know, again, more passionate people is just leading to better opportunities, more people at the front row of your gig. That's something that we push to these guys is that you're not going to get, you know, these opportunities without going out supporting each other, go to each other's gigs, you know, support the industry, support the venues because that is what, you know, will keep the the industry being lively. So yeah, that is like a, a really strong message that we push to everyone to, you know, if you're not going to get presented those opportunities, create them for yourself and connect with someone else.

16:55 I think another beautiful thing about your shot is that we don't push that you need to be a DJ after this. It's just opening someone up to this industry. For myself, like I always speak from my own experiences as well. And what I see and my whole team that we work with is that we've all done the competition and not all of us went on to DJ ING as our number one passion. But for me, I went into creating events, I started running nightclub events. Another person I work with, he did the same thing. And that's how we connected and then started working to you at your shop together. Some people will go into producing, some people will go into, you know, media and and photography. It doesn't really narrow you into one kind of category. It just opens you up to so many other opportunities within this industry and just like opens your eyes to those opportunities as well. 100% it's so important to just pursue different activities and hobbies.

17:48 Just try them as an adult because it, it literally opens up those pathways in your brain like oh that like like they might not have ever known they wanted to be in media or or in events if they didn't do this right. Like they feel like people are just so afraid to invest time in something if they can't see the direct benefit on the other side. But life doesn't always work that way. And if you're getting a free opportunity to try something out, why wouldn't you? Exactly, I totally agree. I couldn't. I couldn't agree more. Yeah, it's it's amazing. So for the people who do decide that they want to take this and run with it and pursue DJ ING as a career, what are those traits that you've seen in 15 years of doing this that indicates somebody could be successful beyond obviously the hard skills of being a good DJ? Yeah, for sure.

18:40 So I think like the main message is that, you know, we're not promising overnight success. We really aren't. What we are doing is presenting someone with the tools, as I mentioned before, and then they take that with a lot of hard work. They can take those tools and then apply it to themselves and continue on with their journey. So I think at the end of the day, you know, of course we have a host of incredible winners across Australia and now America and you know, they delivered incredible sets on the day. But for the people that I see doing well after the competition that have gone on to do amazing things are just the people that want it. You know, they are, they're realistic with their expectations, they're real realistic with their goal setting as well.

19:21 They know that this doesn't happen overnight. They know they need to practice, they know they need to go out and attend, attend events. They understand the etiquette of, you know, how to get a gig correctly. It's something that we teach, teach the guys as well is to ensure that you know, you're approaching the industry in the right manner and you're, you know, you're going to these gigs, you're introducing yourself to people, you're networking before you're asking for gigs and all those kind of things. So I think the people that yeah, that do do the the best are the people that really take their time with it. They obviously have insane passion and eagerness to to want to get somewhere, but they take their time. They listen to our advice where, you know, they're trying new things, they're creating their own identity. They're not trying to copy paste someone else. They're getting up on socials and they're trying something new.

20:10 And if it doesn't work, they're consistent with their social media posting or they're attending events, they're researching. It's. It's about committing yourself to the, I think the bigger picture versus trying to fast track anything. So those ones that take it patient, like they're patient with themselves. And then as I said, they set realistic goals for themselves that, you know, takes a couple of years perhaps. I think that's what I see. I see success in those people because there it is. It is quite easy to think, you know, you can just go from, from doing this competition to success overnight. And for those people that aren't willing to put in the work, I think that they get, they perhaps get less opportunities.

20:53 I love that's such a great answer and to know that you like the etiquette thing is so big and those are the soft skills that are not taught enough. Like there's plenty of production tutorial amazing. Like, and I'm not discrediting like all the other schools that, you know, do do these different things, but those soft skills, it's like, it's just like we don't get taught those in regular school either, at least here in America. You're not learning how to like do things that are going to apply and help you out in the real world. You're learning, you know, if Johnny has seven apples and you take 5, how many have left? And those are the things that like you could be the most talented person in the world. But if you don't have etiquette, if you don't know how to network without, you know, asking and making it all me, me, me, you're not going to get far.

21:40 A. 100% And that's something that I kind of tell the tell everyone as well. Is that like I truly believe believe like you need more than just skills to be a good DJI honestly say it starts on the dance floor. If you have good etiquette on the dance floor, you're there. And that's why why you saw so many people from doors open till doors close at this event. That obviously that the your shot event that they came and they showed up for their classmates is because we say that time and time again, like if you're not showing up for your industry, you're not showing up for your people, you can't expect like the good karma to come back at you. So yeah, I think it's super important to just, I guess keep connected with everyone and push everyone in the right direction as well.

22:21 But yeah, I think it's a it's an overall thing. You need to be good off, off off the court and on the court, you need to be a good team player. And yeah, just tying back to like, I guess the etiquette and all, and all of those kind of soft skills that people need. Yeah, you're totally right. I think that's what separates us again, perhaps from like a DJ school is, you know, you're going in and you're doing your, your your class. And again, same with you. I'm not discrediting any courses that are going around already, but you know, they're there to to teach someone how to DJI think with the the whole your shot program is that we're trying to benefit the industry as a whole. We're only here to help people up, help the industry and I guess educate everyone on a on a wider scale of, you know, support diverse events. You know, gone are the days of full male lineups, you know, stand up for events that are are diverse in themselves and are creating something unique and you know, show up for the smaller events and the bigger events. We want to see all of that like coming together to again, just benefit the industry as a whole.

23:26 Yeah, Yeah. I think it's important if you're going to, if you are going to be some sort of educator in this industry that you do have the responsibility to do everything that you just said. I think, you know you're democracy democratizing access to this industry knowledge. Do you think that that is threatening to some? I think again, like I think we, we touched on it before, but it's like this industry can be gay kept. I'm not saying it always is, but I think it just ties back to the like, what is what is the negative of having more people that are passionate, that are educated, that are eager to get themselves out there and attend events and potentially play on lineups? I only think it benefits the industry. No one is asking any club promoter to to book a DJ that we've we've trained, you know, it comes with hard work. Those people are showing up.

24:20 They're giving themselves or they're pushing themselves outside of their comfort zones and they're also putting in the work. So if they get presented those opportunities, it's only due to the fact that they've really put themselves, you know, in a situation where they deserve that booking. No one is asking anyone to book anyone and all that kind of stuff. So I think by increasing the access to a skill like this and you know, not promising that we're providing overnight success that to to me only benefits the industry. It, it makes people think, you know, DJing is hard work. And I actually appreciate the people up on stage more than I did before because I now understand what they're doing and how much work goes into it. How could that be seen as a bad thing? I I don't know.

25:06 I think, yeah, just the idea of more people being open to the skill, I think can be threatening for sure. But I think those people that have that mindset just need to kind of rejig it a little bit to to realize that that's only going to benefit, you know, them being up on stage, more passionate people in the crowd, more people appreciating the craft. And yet I don't think people should see it as a threat for sure. Yeah, and it's also, like you said, it's creating a more empathetic dance floor because I've been a dance music fan since I was 13. My brother is a DJ experiencing a lot of success touring right now and watching his come up from basically, you know, he hasn't stopped making music since he was in high school. But like when he really started taking this seriously back in like 2017 to now seeing all the struggles and hardships and the triumphs and successes and the, and the cycles of, you know, whatever.

26:04 I have so much more empathy for performers and, and beyond just seeing him, but just in general. And so like you said, like they're going through this training, they, they're learning how hard it is to make it in this industry. And that creates more respect for the artists that they love and that, and that's a better dance floor. Absolutely. So talk to me about your decision, why you finally decided it was time to enter the American dance music market. Well, America in itself, I think has one of the most like beautiful and strong music industries. You know, such like some of the best talent is obviously from America. And you know, we've been in in Australia for the last 15 years and we get messages from all over the world from people asking for the opportunity for for their shot, you know, can't come to this location, come to that location.

26:54 And we've slowly made our way around Australia and New Zealand now. And just with we were getting every every day we get more and more people asking. And obviously the top location was America. Come to America, please. Like all of these kind of messages. And it just got to this stage where we were like, well, what do we have to lose? We're a very small team. I think people often think that, you know, your shot is this big thing. But no, we're a small team of four people. And I think we, we had this conversation where we were sitting in the office in Australia and we went honestly, like, how can we keep saying no to these people? Like it's so it's so clear that they need this.

27:35 And that was actually something that was thrown around quite a lot, especially at this last event that we did in New York was the, the, I guess the sentence of New York really needed this, which I wasn't like I didn't realize how much that would hit to me because we're so used to doing this in Australia. People love it. It's a life changing experience here. But when we've heard these stories first hand and you know, those were also included in the applications as to why they wanted us to come to the States, it was just, we realized that we needed to do it because so many people need an opportunity like this. And we just said, you know, why not? You know, what have we got to lose?

28:15 You know, we can come over there and hopefully it hits. I'm, I'm going to say first hand, I was very nervous that the, I guess the, the message that we bring and the message that we hold here in Australia is, you know, this is for everyone. It's a community driven program. It's something about opening people up to new opportunities. Is that going to be a thing in in America? Are people going to accept it like they do here? We understand that America is a little bit more, you know, it can be a little bit more cutthroat in the industry than it here it is here in Australia, so. Individualistic for sure. Yeah, it was scary. We were. We didn't know if that same kind of format of community and supporting each other was going to work, but we said, yeah, what do we got to lose?

29:03 And we just did it. And it was honestly the best decision ever. I think it was the most emotional three months I've ever had in my life, just hearing everyone's stories and why they needed this and what it changed in their life and their confidence and what it did for their families. Yeah, I think, I think when people, and as you've said as well, it's like if you haven't been to the event, you really can't understand it because someone's probably going to listen to me saying why is she saying all this stuff about a DJ competition? Like it. That's crazy to me. But once you see it and you hear the stories and you meet the people, you realize just why everyone needs something like this in their life. And so America was just, it was the natural next step for us. And hopefully we can, you know, take it, take it further and we can go to more locations and we can continue to give people the same experience that we've been doing here for 15 years. Yeah.

29:56 You know, at a basic level, it gave people a third place. We are, you know that term 3rd place? It's. Have you heard that? Before. Not actually, if you can tell me a little bit, yeah. So a third place is like the place that you go, that's not your home and it's not your work, but you don't have to. It's either free or you don't have to spend $1,000,000 to be there and you don't feel like you're getting pushed out. So like in America, you like, if you want the check dropped at your table, like you just have to snap your fingers, they're trying to rush you out the door versus like Europe, where like the culture, like, you know, the jokes, you can't even find a, a waiter when you, cause like they, they don't want to bother you. So like America is slowly running out of these third places, the places where it's meant for community.

30:38 You can go and hang out and relax around a shared hobby or just, you know, like friends, the show friends where they all hung out at the cafe until midnight every night. We're losing those. And so you literally, you provided a third place for music lovers for six weeks here, however long, you know, with that, including the competition. And so that's just something that we, yeah, we're missing here desperately so. So I mean, is it safe to say you're going to be back in America then? We have to be, I mean, just with, with this past like 3 months that we've done it, like the, and the amount of people that are already applying for 2026, I don't know how we couldn't come back. It's yeah, it's just honestly, I don't know where we're going to like how many places we're going to have to go now because of the people that are applying.

31:24 And the message is being spread like wildfire, which is really nice to see that people took it on. So like with, with like arms wide open, it was really nice to be so welcomed there and people appreciate what we did. And again, it kept on coming back to that whole you must be Australian. Like, this can't be something Americans do, which was such an odd thing to listen to because I was like, does this really not happen here? So yes, I think safe to say we will definitely be back for sure. That's great. So last question for you, for someone who is on the fence about applying and now hopefully we'll definitely know it's not a scam, but they don't know if they want to, you know, do this for themselves. What could you say to them to tip the scale in in your favor and have them apply?

32:10 I mean, I think, you know, the, the term of like what you've got to lose is probably the biggest thing. But outside of that, I think it's just a shift in mindset to think, you know, it doesn't, you don't have to be a DJ after this. I think it's just someone changing their mindset to say I want to do something to push myself out of my comfort zone. Why don't I do this? That is going to be supportive. It's going to be something that I enjoy hopefully. And if it's not for me after it, so be it. But I would just say, yeah, you've got nothing to lose. Personally, again, from my own experience, I had no idea what I was doing when I signed up. I just did it. I saw it the night before and I went, why not? I'll sign up.

32:53 And it's honestly changed my life. You don't know what could come from an opportunity like this. You don't know the people that you'll meet, the opportunities that will present itself, and you'll just come out on the other side as just AI guess, a more well-rounded person. You've pushed yourself to a limit that you maybe you didn't know that you had in you, which is really special, as you know, again, as an adult, it's hard to come, come by those opportunities. So why not? Is my biggest thing. Like, what do you have to lose if you've got six weeks to spare? Commit yourself. Do something that, yeah, pushes you out of your comfort zone and try something new. Be great. Well, I, I had such a great time witnessing all that, just being a fly on the wall.

33:38 It's a beautiful thing that you're building and and we're happy you're here and thank you for doing this podcast. Thank you so much for having me, it's great. That is your weekly elevation. You heard her. The response was so strong that your shot has to come back to America in 2026. If you want to see them in your city, head to your shot under Score USA on Instagram and tell them where you want them next. Here's what I want you to take away from this conversation. You don't need a competition to start betting on yourself. You can start today by putting yourself in one uncomfortable situation each week. Introduce yourself to that promoter. Play that open deck night. Start that event you've been talking about. Because the artists who succeed aren't the ones waiting for permission.

34:26 They're the ones who show up and prove they're willing to do the work. Remember, success in dance music isn't about luck, it's about strategy. I'll talk to you next week.