Energy Exchanges and Fashion Influences with House DJ Duo RaeCola | Elevated Frequencies #20

rae and cola (00:18.919)
We just had the most amazing weekend. We played in New York at Rockefeller Center with Doty Burry and then we also played in Philly at the Ev with Doty Burry as well. And yeah, outstanding weekend. I know it's been crazy because both of us love the East Coast so much but to get to play at Rockefeller it's a place that we've walked by and visited so much and it had such a high standing in our books so it was really exciting to get to share our music there. Bye bye.

Olivia (00:44.047)
That's so awesome. And I have a million questions for you, especially because I'm from Chicago. So I just, I want to start, yes. I'm in Wicker Park right now. I want, and I want to start there because, you know, Chicago is the home of house, obviously, as you know, and I know that you've drawn a lot of inspiration from growing up here. And I read that you started off as musicians when you were younger, is that correct? Like playing instruments and stuff?

rae and cola (00:49.372)
Oh, really? Amazing.

rae and cola (00:59.278)
Thank you.

rae and cola (01:11.242)
Yeah, we started out, I think our first venture into music was playing piano, we sang in choir, and then clarinet, which our grandpa played jazz clarinet, so I think we kind of... We tried to embark on that, but the clarinet didn't work out as well. But I think we had an interest in music and just wanting to be around it, but never truly found exactly what connected until we started DJing. Yeah.

Olivia (01:36.259)
I guess there's not such a huge market for clarinet playing out there. I think you have a little more like range when you DJ.

rae and cola (01:44.497)
Yeah, I'm settled a lot better here for sure. But it's cool because it would at least spark the interest. Right, definitely.

Olivia (01:47.64)
Yeah, that's

Olivia (01:52.435)
That's well, that's what I love about house music is that it draws from so many different inspiration points and you can really make and produce and DJ music that combines all of those elements. And it's got to be, you know, really special, just knowing the legends that have come out of Chicago and now joining, you know, that, that group and leaving your mark and representing Chicago. Would you say that's like a really big part of who you are when you go out and play in other places?

rae and cola (02:04.995)
You're welcome.

rae and cola (02:21.034)
Yeah, I mean, I think that being from Chicago, no matter what, that's something that carries with us in our energy and our sound no matter what. And being able to be a part of the next generation of house music and I feel like it's important to both of us to represent proper. Yeah, I'm always so proud to be from there. Favorite city hands down, no matter where I move. Yeah.

Olivia (02:39.736)
I love.

Yeah. So what made you decide to move to the West coast? Is it like completely career focused move?

rae and cola (02:49.834)
I think we should... or do you want to answer? I mean we originally moved for college, but both of us have always wanted to move to California or just outside of Chicago just to experience something new. We both really like the creative scene out here. We both are very interested in fashion as well. So that was something that was also leaning us towards Los Angeles because it has a great creative scene no matter what area it is. So yeah, I think that was a main push. When it came to applying for colleges.

both of us were like, okay, I love Chicago, but I want to be somewhere warm. We applied to like a lot of places in California and Hawaii and I'm just like, I need a different change of scenery. Growing up in Chicago, I was tired of shoveling snow and just wanted, yeah, a new experience overall. And I think a lot of people in the Midwest went to college in the area, so I just wanted to try something different.

Olivia (03:40.483)
That's awesome. I'm sure it was tough for your family though, because that's like a pretty, pretty far move.

rae and cola (03:45.342)
Yeah, it's a big move, but both of our parents, they anticipated it because I think we had both been saying it for a while. And I'm like, I'm going just to heads up. And now my mom loves it because she gets to come take vacations here.

Olivia (03:53.498)
Yeah.

Olivia (03:58.151)
Yeah, exactly. I always say I tell people because I lived in Florida for a brief period of time, which I did not like. It was for work. I spent a lot of time in Miami. That was fun. But I always tell people that growing up in Chicago because of the weather makes you tough. I'm a tough broad now because I can go out in negative temperatures and I feel like that's a badge of honor.

rae and cola (04:09.072)
I

rae and cola (04:13.79)
We have.

rae and cola (04:21.436)
Yeah. Exactly. It prepares you. Like fighting it out there.

Olivia (04:23.975)
Yeah, 100%. So, okay, so asking for myself, I want to know how, I mean, your style is so incredible. I know you've been told it a million times, but like scrolling through your Instagram, I just, your outfits are always coordinated, but different. I mean, that's going to take a lot of energy. So how do you do it?

rae and cola (04:36.078)
Thank you.

rae and cola (04:46.646)
Yeah, I mean, the outfits are a big part of our sets as well, obviously we prepare so much music-wise, but yeah. I'm like, oh, I can't even focus there, I need to know my outfit as well. And it's really exciting because it allows another way for us to express ourselves. We always try to come up with a theme or we find a piece that we really like or a hat or something and just style completely around that, which is fun. Sometimes she'll draw an outfit idea and then we go out thrifting and try to like...

created. It's fun. It's a fun process. I think that it's different for every set, which allows the outfits to all be different because we're going about each of them in different ways. But we also try to incorporate the energy of the cities that we're going to or the events that we're playing into our outfits as well. It's like we recently, well, not recently, this week we're playing in New York. We're thinking about how it's just the anniversary of hip hop music and playing in New York and

It was fashion week too. It was fashion week and we're like, okay, how do I style something for this? But then we immediately thought of Adidas and we're like, Adidas would be perfect. And we have a friend who resells Adidas clothes and we're like, this is the perfect way to incorporate that kind of vibe. So we try to think of something that has to do with the city and I don't know the feel we're in at that moment.

Olivia (05:55.067)
I love that. That was the pink and green outfits, right?

rae and cola (05:58.066)
Yeah, the ones that we just wore, the pink and green. Thank you.

Olivia (06:00.667)
chef's kiss, those were amazing. That's really cool too. Yeah, I love, and I don't know, like men do this too, but what I love about women is how thoughtful we are when it comes to just fully conceptualizing an event like that. Like you're taking in all these external factors and it really like makes a huge difference. And I love that, it just shows how creative your energy and souls are in general.

rae and cola (06:11.318)
Thank you.

rae and cola (06:18.758)
Yeah.

rae and cola (06:28.91)
I appreciate that. I feel like sometimes it's maybe not noticed, but it does mean a lot to both of us. I'm glad it comes through.

Olivia (06:35.423)
Yes. And I mean, it, it makes taking good feed pictures. Like, you know, you're always on point. So it's really cool. And I love dirty birds, a very like fun, creative brand, you know, I've been to a couple of dirty bird events and you know, it's different than I would say, you know, going to a techno show where it's just like dark, like rave, which is great, too. It's a vibe, but like, so did you kind of gravitate towards dirty bird because of that?

rae and cola (06:57.698)
that.

Olivia (07:03.643)
fun spirited sort of like vibe that they put on or what drew you to them?

rae and cola (07:09.354)
Yeah, immediately after going to my first Dirty Bird event, I was just overwhelmed with how creative and fun the energy was and the people there were so different than anything I had experienced. I think around the time that I went to the first Dirty Bird event, we were still playing kind of open format and newer into the festival scene in general, so that was just like eye-opening overall and I think we both instantly connected with that whole field. I didn't go with you. Yeah, I went to the first campout without her and I called her when I got there and I was like...

You should be here. She was like, you want to come right now? Drive up? I was like, yeah, because I was like, this is crazy. Like I just hadn't been to anything like that. I love the games and activities. I'm always about like doing fun things during the day. I mean, I love going to see the music as well during the day, but just, you know, doing something outside of that usual, just like music, music. Always. It's like we're connecting with new people in new ways. We're going to art some crafts and everyone's just like silly and fun. The outfits are always so fun. And yeah, I think that the energy of Dirty Bird is so vibrant.

and unmatched and just silly and goofy and out of the box and you could just do the most ridiculous thing and everyone's like, yeah, we want more of that. So I fell in love instantly and I'm so happy that music-wise it's fit in line and that they've brought us in as well because we love it. Yes.

Olivia (08:15.823)
Yes.

Olivia (08:24.287)
Yeah, it's, it's all about self-expression with them, which is so true. And I love that you pointed out like the activities part, because I agree, you know, as much as, you know, I love the music, you, you said you love the music. Sometimes, you know, you need a little break and you need to engage in a different way. So to be able to like, like that's the special part about festivals is being able to connect with other people. Like while the music is going on, I really feel like it's like the music is a conduit to connect with others.

rae and cola (08:40.34)
Yeah.

Olivia (08:53.719)
at a deeper level. Do you feel that way?

rae and cola (08:53.92)
Yeah.

Yeah, I really agree.

Olivia (08:58.987)
And I love like the creative, like, like you said, like crafts and stuff like that. I mean, I'm a big craft person and it just goes like, so it goes hand in hand with the music. Right.

rae and cola (09:05.374)
Yeah.

rae and cola (09:09.002)
Yeah, I feel like it allows you to do maybe something you haven't done for the first time or yeah, just something you would never do in your even day to day life. But now you have like a new skill, you get to meet new people and usually take something home. You're like, what's going on? Everyone's creative. I will stand behind that always. I feel like even if someone feels like they're not the most artistic person, you're still creative to, like, some way and at your spec. So yeah, it's cool to see what other people create as well.

Olivia (09:34.623)
I love to hear that. So like this, the show is all about actionable advice that people can take in their lives, regardless if they're in music or not. So when you say that everybody's creative, is there, like, what could you say to somebody who wants to test out like their, you know, just be creative, what could they engage in to kind of get those juices flowing?

rae and cola (09:55.883)
Ah.

I think that one thing for myself that was hard when stepping into new creative avenues is feeling like I'm going to be bad at something. I think that's the main hurdle to jump over. It's like just do it and even if you feel like it's not, I don't know, award worthy, it's still doing it and it's still a great start. Each person's creative expression is different. I might draw something, each other draw something that looks completely different and doesn't measure in terms of what's better and what's not. That's a cool thing about creativity and art.

depends on interpretation. People are going to like different things more than another. So just doing it. I mean, she's definitely more artistic when it comes to drawing, which is really cool to see. But I like, I love painting. I'm not great at it at all. But I'm like, I feel like even just doing it and I'm like, I can throw this away if I want to or I can keep it. It doesn't really like matter not having that pressure of feeling like, oh, I have to do this as a job. Like just try new hobbies. And if you don't like it, you don't like it. If it sucks and you're like, oh, I'll try something different. Just

Olivia (10:48.859)
Yeah.

rae and cola (10:56.997)
Bye.

Olivia (10:57.927)
Yeah, I love that because I think that especially people who might have a creative career, like making music, like it's nice to have something that you don't monetize that is still creative. It really helps like, like it really helps keep that sort of energy like more pure, you know what I mean? Because you're not attaching it to a monetary value.

rae and cola (11:08.49)
Yeah. Oh, my God.

rae and cola (11:15.566)
Sarah.

rae and cola (11:19.026)
Yeah, I'm just talking about this literally on the way back from the airport talking about hobbies because I think we both are people who like to pick up new hobbies, maybe too many hobbies, but like making sure that we have the ones that always say like, you can have a hobby that makes you money, but one that keeps you creative, something that keeps you active and like having those kind of outlets is really important to me. And someone's talking to me lately about how people have this sense of pressure in society that you have to be good at everything that you do. And

Even since for like female energy, being like boss bitch all the time, I'm like great at this, I'm great at this. And it's like sometimes it's nice to just have things that you're not the best at, you just enjoy doing for fun. So we've been trying to step more into that and just having hobbies that I enjoy doing outside of music, you know.

Olivia (12:02.755)
Yeah. 100%. The pressure too, I think also comes from like social media and everybody posting, you know, all of their stuff or whatever. Yeah. I mean, you have to have those things that you just have for yourself and that you can do trial and trial and error. And like, I also heard this is kind of related. One thing that's always stuck with me is this woman on TikTok said, don't create for

rae and cola (12:10.326)
Okay.

rae and cola (12:17.104)
Yeah.

rae and cola (12:31.246)
Thank you.

Olivia (12:32.515)
just to create and it doesn't have to go anywhere or do anything. Like it can just exist in the world. And that's your, that's like your proof of concept to yourself that you're trying something. Even if it doesn't get seen by 5 million people.

rae and cola (12:37.143)
Yeah.

Yes.

rae and cola (12:45.111)
Yeah, that's good. So, it's like really well said. And I think also the point you bring up with social media is a big part of it too. Because I think so many times when you're doing something creative, you're like, oh, I have to do this and I have to post it and I have to do this. And it's like, you can just do it for you, you know. It's become such a part of our whole society.

Olivia (12:59.515)
Thank you.

Yeah, it has its, you know, positives and drawbacks. So, but so I wanna kind of pivot a little bit back to Chicago if that's okay, because I feel like I could probably get some like good, I wanna know like your favorite spots if you were listening to house music, like growing up, did you ever go to any of the clubs, like anything, any like hometown places that you wanna shout out?

rae and cola (13:11.766)
Yeah.

rae and cola (13:28.238)
It was crazy that I think we moved away when we were 17. So we moved away quite young. So we didn't really go to house clubs until we came back when we were older. And I think now we've kind of gone back to like just house places that are not well known like Sky Bar. We played at radios a few times, like very regular like places, not the underground scene as much as I want to. But I mean, like the first place that we heard house music when we were younger was at the skating rinks. Like we grew up on the South side and we would go there.

Olivia (13:34.96)
True.

Olivia (13:49.401)
Right.

Olivia (13:56.088)
Yeah.

rae and cola (13:56.662)
like people would be foot working and playing too. They would have foot work in ghetto house. And that was like kind of our first introduction into house music and then we kind of got more of the classic end of it. And I mean I think even now probably one of my favorite things back home is the chosen few picnic. Yeah. Which is the longest. Someone's calling me from Slovenia. I'm like what? Anyway.

Olivia (14:11.641)
Yes.

Olivia (14:17.555)
Cool.

rae and cola (14:18.738)
Chosen View Picnic is one of the longest running house music festivals and I think it's the longest but it's something that my parents friends used to all go to. My mom wasn't like heavy into house music at all. I think she's definitely grown a lot into it with us playing house music, but all her friends were going for years. So then when we went for the first time it opened my eyes because it was so diverse as far as age seeing everyone in their 60s and 30s and like 20s. It's like such a big range and everyone sets up their tent and takes

their grills and it's there for the whole day and there's just house music all day and it was super eye-opening and we've gone a couple times now. I try to go each year as we've gone and it's been cool to see definitely like as you're saying like the age range diversity because I'm like these are the originators like these are the people who really were there when it started and I think as we started going to clubs it's been different of course it's like people our age so it's cool to see like the melting pot of like the new age and um the OGs all together they're celebrating.

with love and acceptance and just like dance and free energy. Yeah, they have like live gospel type singers on the beats and just really classic feels and it was really nice.

Olivia (15:27.531)
Yeah, it's incredible. Like I'll be out and I'm obviously, I'm sure this happens to you too, all the time. You'll hear a track that someone's playing and it'll sample like either a ghetto house or gospel house track from the nineties from Chicago, but very briefly. And it's like a, like a fleeting moment. You're like, Oh my God, like it truly is the root of everything.

rae and cola (15:46.526)
Yeah, definitely. And I feel like we try to like incorporate that too in our music as well, of like taking those like little bites and moments and sounds that like kind of remind us of like the origins or like the beginning sounds that we were really drawn to and incorporate into our music too or our sets. Yeah.

Olivia (16:04.983)
Yeah, that's amazing. And I think, I think, you know, Claude and Dirty Bird really represents like a wide diversity of audiences and really like pulls to try to get those different sounds on his label. Like every artist that I've interviewed from Dirty Bird has had such a different sound to them, which is so cool.

rae and cola (16:25.81)
Yeah, and especially going to the festivals. I absolutely love the lineups every single year because of the range. And I'm like, you can get someone who's like more disco, you can get someone who has more melodic sounds, but also get that dirty bass sound. You can get like a ghetto house set. You get such a nice range of just like really quality music. Do a good job. Not just click here.

Olivia (16:47.427)
Yeah. Yes. Yeah, that that's incredible. So talk to me about like, I know that you started in music when you were young, playing the clarinet, playing instruments, and it kind of morphed into this as you moved to the West coast and started exploring, but is this something? Cause I'm, I don't know. And this is also part of my question. I'm a big believer in manifesting careers and manifesting. I think that people can tap into like.

their celebrity energy, right? And like do incredible things. Did you foresee this, like being famous and touring and doing all the things you're doing with your music and continuing to build? Did you see that when you were younger?

rae and cola (17:27.914)
Definitely not. I mean I think that in like any little girl's age like I always we would like make up dances and like be like I'm gonna be a pop star but I once I started getting older I definitely didn't foresee us doing this at all. Well those were pretty shy growing up so even though I love to do things in the home and dance in the house and stuff. Like with our friends. Yeah but I was definitely not a person who I imagined being where we are right now. I think that even I remember

I was like, okay, cool. Could I DJ and no one really look at me? I like love the sound. I feel like our music was like great. And I was like, we could provide the great energy, but having everyone sit there and look at me was kind of overwhelming at first. And I think that it's something that even for us has allowed us to step into more so that like leader having attention on you role. But it's not something that I think I naturally.

like was trying to bring it in. Yeah, I think we're both really big on manifestation, I will say. And I think a lot of that came from once we actually started DJing, realizing the goals that we did have in mind. We're like, okay, I can see the in-vision now, but I think that started as we continue to grow as DJs.

Olivia (18:42.415)
That's, I would never guess that you were shy at any point because you're both so vibrant. So that's really amazing. It's interesting how like you can almost like step into that persona. It's like, once you get on stage, I've heard from a lot of people, it just energizes you. And yes, it could be scary, but the crowd being there to see you has to be a pretty cool feeling.

rae and cola (18:47.493)
Yeah.

rae and cola (19:02.67)
Mm-hmm.

rae and cola (19:07.874)
Yeah, I think now I have such a better appreciation for it rather than before being like, don't look at me. Now I'm like, okay, yeah, it's like a cool energy exchange like back and forth. It's really cool to connect with people and kind of, you know, like bring the energy to the crowd. Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. It definitely feels like an energy exchange and it's definitely not one way. I think when I started off I felt it like, oh, it's just like a one-way kind of transaction. It's not that at all.

It's kind of crazy because it feels so divine that we're here now because now I couldn't imagine it being any other way. And I'm so happy to be in the place that I am now. And I think that it's allowed us to be more vibrant as people. Yeah, it's like the energy you have within yourself that wasn't able to be expressed. Yeah. It just wasn't the right way. It wasn't the right time, I guess.

Olivia (19:52.119)
That's really cool. I love that insight. And I love the concept of energy exchange. I have not heard of that before from any other artists and I'd never thought of it that way, but it's very true because good or bad, depending on a crowd's reaction, it impacts you. And sometimes, and even good has multiple, there's multiple like facets of good, right? Like a crowd can be a certain way. And especially when you're playing like more intimate sets where they're

like right up on the booth. Yeah, you are exchanging energy. You guys are right by each other.

rae and cola (20:26.627)
Yeah. I feel like especially, sorry, when we're doing like more so opening sets, we really, really feel that because as you're saying, it's more intimate. There's a couple people there and it's like, okay, guys, it's just us here. Let's get to start. It feels like a conversation with all of us. And everyone's just getting there. So it's like, okay, let's get comfortable together. Yeah. I mean, sometimes at the end of the night, everyone's like drinking. It's like, it's a lot.

Olivia (20:49.081)
Right.

rae and cola (20:49.81)
of a different energy. So yeah, those opening moments are, they're really special, I think.

Olivia (20:55.267)
That's cool. I've talked to, do you know, Luke, Hottie, have you met him or heard of him?

rae and cola (20:59.828)
I don't know, but I don't think we've We haven't met face to face yet. I know.

Olivia (21:03.223)
Okay. He's in the West coast too. I think he, he did an interview with me. We, he had like this controversial tweet about a series of controversial tweets about opening a show and pretty much it was that opening a show is a difficult thing to do. It's an art that has been lost by people who just want to like, like either they'll play all of the headliner songs, like completely, you know, unaware, or they'll just like start off way too crazy. And so.

rae and cola (21:14.068)
Yeah.

rae and cola (21:29.58)
Yeah.

Olivia (21:30.551)
Like you said, it's like a conversation. You're kind of warming up. You're kind of like getting to know each other. And that's like a really special thing that is so much different than the headliner, maybe just coming on and everybody's all like ready, you know? So that's more difficult.

rae and cola (21:42.972)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I definitely think it's more difficult because it's almost like gaining a crowd's trust in a way. And also most times you're opening, no one really knows who you are. So it's like an introduction to you. Like, okay, how can we like connect when we get you in the right vibe? I definitely think it can be more difficult, but I enjoy it. I have my appreciation for each time. Yeah. I know like I've met you days that are like...

I can't wait till I'm headlining. I'm tired of doing like these opening sets and I'm like, they're kind of nice. Like I have a different appreciation for them for sure. First, like a middle set. I love I like all the time slots, but I feel like I definitely go into each of them with a different mindset and perspective. I'll say.

Olivia (22:27.563)
Yeah. And, and like you said, like the crowd might not know you, but you, but you can kind of assume that people who get there super early, like truly love music, right? Cause they're like, I want to be here all fucking night. So you're like, okay, like you're receptive at least to like hearing something new.

rae and cola (22:37.713)
Yeah.

I'm sorry.

rae and cola (22:45.994)
Yeah, they're like open to hearing new music and it's cool because you can like play songs that you wouldn't maybe be able to play in that headline spot so it's definitely a time. Yeah.

Olivia (22:55.683)
That's awesome. So what, what do you guys kind of like have going on for the rest of the year? Anything exciting that you want to bring up shows and caveat, are you coming to Chicago anytime soon for a show?

rae and cola (23:07.562)
We were just in Chicago. I wish we met before this. We played last month at Radius opening for Steve Angelo. Oh, yeah.

Olivia (23:11.627)
I do too! When was that?

Olivia (23:19.787)
Oh, I did see, you know what? I was out of town. That's why. Cause I, cause because my husband and I were going to come to that show. Okay. Well now I know for next time.

rae and cola (23:29.183)
Next time. Probably next time. Next time for sure. Right now we're going to be in the studio for a bit and really work on music. We do have a few tracks that have been out, but we really want to hone in on our next releases and make them really special. So that's kind of our focus right now. Yeah, we have a couple shows. We're playing in Orange County in a couple weeks. Opening for Sizzak and then...

We're playing Off the Grid Camp Out next month. It should be fun. That's in California. So yeah, I'm excited for those shows that we have and yeah, just honing in on our production.

Olivia (24:02.639)
That's awesome. So I like to always end the conversation maybe with some more actionable advice. And we've been talking a lot about just like creativity and tapping into that. So what would you say to an artist who maybe is in like a creative rut? How do you get yourself out of a creative rut when you're in the studio? Or it could be even like with other aspects of your career, outfits, whatever.

rae and cola (24:30.958)
Mm-hmm. I think for myself, I truly enjoy getting lost in like a sound that's unfamiliar to me and What have you met as like finding perhaps like a really?

old disco track that has like maybe wasn't even a top track at the time like I'll go dig for like really cool underground sounds that I am unfamiliar with and then go down a nice little rabbit hole. Yeah, I did that recently when I was like really stuck in a studio session and I was like having a hard time figuring out what direction to go into. And I found such cool inspiration that I was like, what is this track? Who's this artist? And just kind of discovering new genres, discovering new artists.

finding new sounds, it's gonna get your brain flowing. Rather than just listening to like your top tracks or your usual artists, kind of stepping outside of that and play around. Yeah. For me when I'm stuck musically, I think I have to like completely almost step away, like I guess the opposite, like step away from music. I'm like, let me like watch a movie. So like go outside and just do like something that completely takes my mind away in a way. And then get back to the studio. I'm like, oh, I feel.

Olivia (25:35.597)
Yes.

rae and cola (25:38.302)
Refreshed and brand-new and like I have a whole new palette to work with rather than just being like, I don't know You know, you're sitting inside all day. It's like I don't know need some fresh air

Olivia (25:45.775)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah, so you're like going deeper into sounds and then you're like the opposite or like get me out of here Yeah, I think but those are both really good methods. I do tend to agree that like getting away I always say you can't force creative work. So like if I'm super frustrated I'm just gonna step away and like start fresh the next day, but it's also interesting like digging into something That's like adjacent but different to see if there's something there So I think for the two types of people out there. Those are both really good options

rae and cola (25:55.642)
Yeah.

rae and cola (26:05.178)
Yeah.

rae and cola (26:20.698)
Exactly, and I definitely agree you can't force creativity and sometimes I'm like, I mean obviously if I'm at home I want to be in the studio every day But sometimes you just don't wake up in that mindset and you can't force yourself to be in a certain mood So like don't feel bad about taking a break because I think a lot of us do

Olivia (26:37.143)
Yes, that's massive advice. I think that's like a scarcity thing. People think, oh, if I don't work on this every waking second of my life, like I'm never going to get anywhere. When in reality, like people got to where they were because they like very strategically place their energy like they didn't, you know, stretch it and burn themselves out.

rae and cola (26:46.892)
Exactly.

rae and cola (26:54.731)
with it.

rae and cola (26:58.836)
Balance.

Olivia (27:00.439)
Yes, all of that valid. It was so nice to chat with you both. I'm so grateful you joined me and very happy to have some Chicago folks on the show. That just makes me so happy. So thank you so much.

rae and cola (27:05.098)
You.

rae and cola (27:12.592)
Thank you so much. Yeah, it's been great talking with you too. Thank you so much.